Şiir (Xiir = Shir) Destinie Jones ([info]shirad) wrote,
@ 2008-07-10 10:52:00
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Current location:Bath, England
Current mood: cold
Current music:'Who wants to live forever?' -Queen
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AHE Conference notes
First, connecting:

Hugh and Ros: via http://www.worldcat.org/search?qt=worldcat_org_bks&q=%22Origin+of+Wealth%3A+Evolution%2C+Complexity%2C+and+the+Radical+Remaking+of+Economics+%22&fq=dt%3Abks
on complexity in econ.

Miguel and the guys from Japan

Joel M. and Humboldt (must tell Shannon...)
Joel and Transition Towns people
Joel and Dr. Apichai

Robin and Ros: via complexity in economics



---there was someone I had in mind to put in touch with Manuel Branco but I just can’t remember who it is right now. His work is on economics and human rights (it may have been Heloisa Primavera I was thinking of with her work integrating society and economy holistically…?...)


Now for the exciting trip to Cambridge before the conference: I have learned a new phrase: “voila voi” -no, I’m not sure what it means, but the young Welsh lady sitting next to me assured me that it was good. She also did me the wonderful favour of telling me that Ace was campanion to Sylvester McCoy as the Dr., before pointing out my ADDness by laughingly observing my distractibility with the comment: “forget economics, there’s a pony other there!”  It was a very good journey despite the 3 train changes and delays due to signalling problems.

Then to the conference itself:

Thursday evening I got some wonderful feedback from Wendy, co-author of a very good book http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/209895989&referer=brief_results

She has restored my faith in the possibility of being both a dedicated teacher and a serious academic, as well as a genuinely nice person. I’ve also got to remember to pass on her greetings to Susan Johnson, who has also been most helpful with feedback on my work. It’s really nice to meet people who know people you work with.

Friday the conference started in earnest, and between panels and babysitting my poster (actually more like waylaying passers by to discuss my work), I was exhausted at the end of the evening. Not too tired though to sing some nice songs with the Mexican gentleman I was privileged to eat dinner with, however. I was very surprised that the researchers from Mexico D. F. didn’t know each other. Fortunately, Alicia and Gustavo both met me, and I made sure that they both met each other.

I must remember to thank Laurel [info]shoebox_bird (or was it [info]vvalkyri) for her creed: ‘make your friends friends’

Panels covered Green and Ecological Economics, ethics, policy, markets, sustainable development, how to measure vital things (energy, currency and pollution not being directly quantitatively comparable), consumption, banking, and most interestingly, forecasts up to 2050. If you want notes, please ask.

My favourite quote from a discussion is probably this one: “Do not sacrifice theoretical integrity just to be listened to.”

That was in a panel on education in economics and the history of economic thought.

Saturday night we all had a fantastic dinner! First Linda encouraged me to eat (or share!) my pudding, which was quite helpful. :-) A wonderful older gentleman giving a great speech, and on Saturday, our friend Hebe dubbing me the “Academic Matchmaker” because I keep connecting people who seem to be working on similar things. There are certainly worse nick names to have




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[info]webfarmer
2008-07-10 01:48 pm UTC (link)
What an interesting post. You know, I think a friend of mine who is an economist at the Univ. of NE was also at that conference. Of course there are probably other economics conferences going on about this time but seems like it would be just his cup of tea. He and his wife couldn't make the national Green Party convention because of this academic commitment. Unfortunately, the listings noted on the conference make not mention of him so maybe I'm all wet on that one.

There are several familiar names from my Mondragon research. Mary Mellor also co-wrote "Worker Cooperatives in Theory and Practice" with Janet Hannah and John Stirling. Joan Martinez-Alier also rings a bell but I don't have a reference there.

I'm afraid my geezerly counter thought on the quote you noted is a bit cynical. I was thinking perhaps it's not well to use the assertion of "theoretical integrity" to justify putting out something that's so poorly written and obscure that no one wants to read it. Of course as you know, some economists (mostly the Chicago School lot) make a positive point out of the elitist rhetorical style of some of their founders (and perhaps themselves). Milton Friedman best sellers to the contrary.

I'll leave as a thought experiment who is more important to this movement in terms of real world impact, Hayek or Friedman. My money would be on Friedman. Of course that may be an overly simplified and unfair argument too. :)

Sounds like you had a super time and expanded your network of contacts. I'm glad to hear that you've been recharged by the event.

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Thanks! um, geezerly ... ? ...
[info]shirad
2008-07-10 02:04 pm UTC (link)
LOL! :-)

Actually that quote was in reference to the Keynesian economists alleged refusal to point out the dangers of the oil shocks to the global economic system, if I recall correctly, or something else. Apparently at the time it was thought more important to accomodate the prevailing economic way of thinking than to point out potential serious problems in the financial system. The speaker said this during a talk on the current financial crisis about issues apparently swept under the rug with the banking system, I believe.

Hayek did merit some mention though in passing. Despite his rather elitist points of view, decentralization of currency could allow local community-based currencies more free reign.

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Re: Thanks! um, geezerly ... ? ...
[info]webfarmer
2008-07-10 03:34 pm UTC (link)
Well, that seems to be a systemic problem with humans and not just with conservative economists. Unless one thinks that conservatives are more prone to shade the details than other folks, of course. :)

If you job and/or status depends on it, folks will tend to do what they can to expediently adjust the analysis. Bringing home the bacon is no small thing at times.

What I remember most about Hayek was that I started into his "Road to Serfdom" book, the introduction to be exact, and found that he noted right off that there were no real world examples of what he was talking about. That it was all just a speculation on what might happen. At that point I put the book down and never picked it up again.

This seems less science (as if economics can really be said to be a science) and more op-ed work.

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Forgot to mention THE COOOLL Museum !!
[info]shirad
2008-07-10 02:53 pm UTC (link)
Monday, I went to the Bank of England Museum in the morning. They have real tally sticks!! :-)

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Re: Forgot to mention THE COOOLL Museum !!
[info]webfarmer
2008-07-10 03:37 pm UTC (link)
Cool, indeed! :)

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[info]shoebox_bird
2008-07-10 07:49 pm UTC (link)
Dude, you were in Cambridge and I missed you? eek!!!!

Also, I think that was the creed of your other friend, but it sounds good to me! I love when my friends become friends with each other, and, further, when I become friends with my friends friends. :)

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glurp!
[info]shirad
2008-07-11 01:55 pm UTC (link)
You're back in the UK now? I thought you were still state-side until October. Sorry I missed you.

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Re: glurp!
[info]shoebox_bird
2008-07-17 06:19 pm UTC (link)
Yup. But no worries -- I'll likely be out to west england one of these days and we can get together. Though it sounds like you're writing up now.. ??? So maybe you won't be there much longer?

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Re: glurp!
[info]shirad
2008-07-19 05:17 pm UTC (link)
at least to October

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